Yeah you guys might be right @Amplify regarding the 24h response notice, it’s not like answering an email right? Maybe they have to do the proper background checks and all and that takes time, didn’t take that into consideration. 7 days seems reasonable though.
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I don’t think you put any time limit on it. I do think you get them to explain if proposals skip the line ahead of yours.
And actually, I’m not for just NO time limit. There needs to be something. 2 weeks after mods return proposals for questioning. At that point, they must respond, even if it is just to say that we have not been able to properly vet this legally or whatever. Then the DAO must decide whether to take the risk of voting up something that hasn’t been “properly” audited.
Kind of reminds me of the staking decision. But at least with that decision, the power rested in the hands of the DAO, where it should be. All decisions should be that way IMHO. No black boxes in a DAO.
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Hey Escape, I believe Vulkan moved this Proposal to: AIP-142: Establish Communication Team (ApeComms)
Edit: My bad, Vulkan just said that AIP-142 is not merged with this proposal.
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Moonlyght
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Hey @Moonlyght these are different. While AIP-142 focuses on establishing a Communications team consisting of members from the community, this AIP idea I have here focuses on the proposal process, specifically response times from the Ape Foundation.
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Oh… my bad then, I thought I read somewhere this morning that this proposal was merged with the AIP-142, apologies.
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No worries! You’re probably thinking of another proposal I had out there. Both started with “Establish.” I need better naming ideas 
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This is worth a repost — there should be no black boxes in this DAO, or it’s not a DAO. Checks and balances are an essential part of a modern working governance structure. This AIP helps to establish that. There’s more to do, but this is a good start.
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Most probabaly they will start to ignore your proposal since you will submit it. They did the same with mine when I asked for the same: To reveal what is hidden in the DAO management system
BTW some screenshots about how the “DAO” works.
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Wow… this is a lack of proper execution from the Cartan group which I believe are the ones that are hiring the moderators to keep up with the communication/s of the community. This is a critical problem and a solution is needed, hopefully establishing moderator response time guidelines will help.
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This particular AIP is a very unique case IMO. It’s labeled as a Process AIP that would directly interfere with the work performed by the Special Council. The ApeCoin Board is under strict NDA’s which directly conflict with the request in this AIP requiring the Special Council to deliberate in public all of their thoughts on a particular AIP.
It’s not only unrealistic, it’s impossible. If we require actors in the DAO to only deliberate through Discourse, many actors will either stop sharing their thoughts all together, or simply bypass these communication channels anyway due to necessity and urgency in timing. It’s much easier to have a quick conversation in Discord or DMs than it is to strike up a timely conversation on the forums.
The AIP goes on to specify that “Total time allocated to Administrative Reviews of proposals by the Special Council should be limited by 14 days” which I think is not realistic given the sheer volume of AIPs, and diligence needed to review. Again, forcing the Special Council to discuss AIP’s in the public discourse forums greatly prologues the process due to the nature of how forums work. People respond when they have time.
I am not speaking for the ApeCoin Administrators, Moderators, or Special Council, but my opinion on this AIP is it directly conflicts with the Special Council’s responsibilities and is simply not enforceable. You cannot restrict conversation in any aspect, nor can you force it to happen on a particular medium.
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