I like the idea, but maybe we can pivot the reward to be something else? Possibly Trust levels? We don’t reward voting with APE, so i don’t think we should do so for these.
This AIP overall seems like a lot of unnecessary process. Even if adopted we should not pay people to participate in the DAO. Participation is a service to the community, not a side hustle.
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Yes, but there has to be a certain level of moderation with regards to Temperature checks. Personally, It seems best to make the process consistent with how everyone knows how the AIP process works.
That is very reasonable. Maybe make the reward for participating on Temperature checks the same as the rewards for voting? Or just make it none at all.
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If I’m running an AIP I want feedback from the people who are likely to vote. This is just a practical consideration as part of the ideas process is getting a sense for whether something is likely to pass. Posting in AIP Ideas should provide this feedback, but I do agree that there is a disparity between voters and forum participants.
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I just want to help provide the community with both another tool to help make AIPs better and also provide an additional mechanism for everyone to gauge sentiment within the community about an idea/topic/question. The latter being the more important part of this AIP, as we don’t have have a genuine way to poll the community.
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Hi @LiveFast9986,
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If you’re content with the feedback received, your next steps are to finalize your proposal using the AIP Draft Template.
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Are you ready to proceed to the next phase or do you wish to extend community discussion for another 7 days?
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I agree with you, in the end the idea is interesting.
It would also be good to have a topic posted right here on the forum addressing the issues and each member would only have the power to vote once.
Only in this way can we measure the temperature of members on a topic covered.
For example: “Do you prefer to interact more on the forum or on discord?”
- Forum (option 1)
- Discord (option 2)
“What do you think about a certain topic?”
- -Good (option 1)
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- Medium (option 2)
- -Bad (option 3)
It’s interesting, so we can see what everyone is thinking, very cool 
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You nailed it. Exactly.
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Hi ApeCoin DAO Community,
@LiveFast9986 has completed editing their AIP Idea to be their AIP Draft.
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Kind Regards,
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I support you in this 100%.
As a delegate with 8Delegate and after talking with numerous authors and delegates, it’s become clear to me there’s a big gap between authors and delegates, and this creates a lotta friction on both sides.
Authors end up without the right input they need, and delegates get flack from the community for their decisions. When in reality, a little temp check and specifically curated feedback from the delegate sent directly to the author, would be a win-win for both sides.
One thing that came up recently as well in discussions with @AllCityBAYC was his cool idea for a style of ‘AIP Alumni Mentorship’, where previously successful AIP authors can advise and guide newer authors to experience a better experience within the AIP process
Simultaneously to this is some work I’ve been doing to build an enhanced user experience than the current https://delegate.apecoin.com site offers
I’m not 100% sure this is the most effective way for gathering the right feedback nor for engaging the right group of most influential voters. There’s a possibility that the specific process you’re proposing could simply add more friction to the existing high-friction processes and slow down AIPs even farther, while missing some of the most important delegate signalling. That being said, I REALLY like your overall thought process and am happy to support it further in any way I can 
here on Discourse, DMs, in a box, with a fox, or otherwise 
lol
N e ways, ending my ramble here for now, reply or ping/DM if u wanna continue this convo, maybe together we can all smoothen out the AIP process for everyone in a meaningful way 
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Well thought out, exactly an interaction thermometer function!
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Hi ApeCoin DAO Community,
Our team has reviewed and discussed @LiveFast9986’s AIP Draft and have sent a list of initial questions. We await answers.
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Kind Regards,
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nice proposal! It brings a smart structure to gauge the Ape Community’s vibes. Love the clarity on ATCs (Ape Temperature Checks) and the idea of keeping it all in the same voting playground. The steps are laid out like a well-choreographed dance, ensuring a smooth journey from idea to live ATC. And hey, it’s a zero-cost party – who doesn’t love that? Smart, transparent, and community-focused. Thumbs up! 
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Hi ApeCoin DAO Community,
@LiveFast9986 has responded to our questions and has provided consent to share them in this forum for the community.
1. Is the Ape Foundation expected to engage in any of the steps of the AIP implementation? If so, please specify the steps and elaborate on how it is expected to work.
I outline in Phases 3-5 aspects in which the Ape Foundation should be engaged in this process (as best as I understand it). Since these phases follow the process of an AIP, it feels necessary the Ape Foundation should have the same engagement as they would for an AIP. If I happen to be mistaken on the Foundation’s involvement in these steps, please correct me.
For instance. In Phase 3, the Analysis and Moderation, a review should be made of each ATC by a project management team (either the same currently handling AIPs) at the behest of the Ape Foundation (based on my understanding of the process set forth in AIP-1). This is to ensure that the draft does not contain any issues, implications, and/or is aligned with the DAO mission and guidelines. For Phase 4 and 5, the Foundation should similar be involved as they are in AIPs at this stage, providing the necessary tagging and review which can result in proceeding to Snapshot or being returned to the author for clarification or reconstructions.
I apologize if this answer is insufficient. I’m making several assumptions based on AIP-1 and the process as I see it in discourse, so it is possible that I am mistaken on certain steps of the process and who is actually involved. I’m happy to be educated and making appropriate changes.
2. You’ve outlined several new categories for ATCs mirroring the AIP process, but seem to have omitted the ATC “Administrative Review.” Is this a deliberate omission? (Note: “Administrative Review” was added to the AIP process in AIP-173.)
Can you please clarify on what you mean by Administrative Review". Phase 5 is an Administrative Review process, and was listed in AIP-1 as Phase 6. While I did not know about AIP-173, it seems to focus specifically on adding a “Administrative Review” discourse category. I did leave out the creation of an ATC Administrative Review category, because it seems to be too burdensome to create a new category for this when the Administrative Review category would be sufficient for this.
3. To be certain, please provide the ATC Draft Template.
Temperature Check Question::
Provide a clear and concise question for which your want to poll the community.
Relevant Information:
A brief summary or relevant information necessary to provide context to the question being asked tot he community.
Key Terms and Definitions
Definitions of any terms within the question that are unique to the ATC, new to the APE Community, and/or industry-specific (optional).
Options for the ATC
Provide a full list of options for the community to select from.
Voting System Type (Optional)
The default option is Single Choice Voting (Each voter may select only one choice). If a different voting system type is needed for the question, state which one and provide an explanation as to why this is necessary. Examples of different Voting Systems are Ranked choice voting (each voter may slect and rank any number of choices. Results are calculated by instant-runoff counting method), Weighted Voting (each voter may spread voting power across any number of choices), Approval Voting (Each voter may select any number of choices), etc.
4A. The process outlined for the Ape Temperature Check includes similar steps to the existing AIP process, and likewise similar “temperature Checks” have been previously processed by the DAO.
Is it required to establish extra sections on the forum given that the Ape Temperature Check process mirrors the existing AIP procedure, and similar temperature checks have been dealt with by the DAO before?
I am open to bundling Temperature Checks within the AIP process. However, I am unsure if this may lead to confusion, problems with discourse post management, or moderation issue if we can keep them in the same category in discourse. I originally thought that keeping certain aspects separate would help with keeping discourse properly managed and clean, and also be easier for members to search for specific things, hence why I proposed certain aspects being separate.
Please excuse my ignorance as I did not know that a previous temperature check was performed. If you can and are able too, can you please point me to some of these previous temperature checks to see how they were handled?
To me the AIP process has a set definition of being: “a document proposing a new feature, project, activity, goal, piece of information, or change to any proposal that has already been implemented”. Thus an AIP is different from an ATC in that an ATC is not and cannot be proposing any new feature, project, activity, goal, piece of information, or change to any proposal that has already been implemented. An ATC is designed to pose a question to gather information.
4B. Does it seem agreeable to categorize proposals under an “ATC” category as a sub-category of the existing Ape Improvement Process, similar to the “Ecosystem Fund” or “Brand Decision” categories?
I personally think that since AIP has a set definition, and ATC does not fall within the scope of what an AIP is, I believe it would be improper to make ATC a sub-category under it similar to Ecosystem Fund or Brand Decision. However, if this is to help streamline, make moderation of ATC on Discourse easier, more cost effective, or have some other benefit I am completely open to doing this. I do not want to make anyone’s life more difficult through the introduction of this process.
Alternatively, we could change each of the categories to be AIP/ATC (e.g. AIP/ATC Ideas, AIP/ATC Drafts, etc.) and then we can add these subcategories to ATCs (and even possibly have more sub-categories that are relevant/pertinent).
5. Do you provide consent to share these questions and answers with the community in this forum?
I consent.
A DAR package is being worked on and upon completion this AIP will move into Administrative Review. Follow this Topic as further updates will be posted here in the comments.
Kind Regards,
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Hi ApeCoin DAO Community,
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For clarity: This type of Single Choice Voting in which 1 Vote is assigned per Wallet, is referred to in Snapshot as a ticket strategy. Instructions on how to implement it can be found here.
Why do a ticket strategy as a temperature check when decisions on which AIP passes is based on the aggregate of APE voted?
How will one vote per wallet give a good guidance of final outcome?
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Because it’s a designed to be the official form of polling and replace all other types of polling services on other websites and platforms, which all use this voting strategy.
Furthermore, this is just “default” voting strategy, and it is not limited to only this type. This is designed to flexible and allow for whatever voting strategy you want, so long as you provide a rationale as to why you want that type of voting data.