Shortening and Standardizing the Voting Cycle

PROPOSAL NAME: Improving Voting Cycle Efficiency and Shortening the AIP Process

TEAM DESCRIPTION:

Hi, I’m @Lost.

Contact Information:

Discord: hodlr

Twitter: HodlrCollective

PROPOSAL DESCRIPTION:

This proposal suggests shortening and standardizing the voting cycle for Ape Improvement Proposals (AIPs) in the ApeCoin ecosystem. The proposed changes include reducing the voting period from 14 days to 4 days and establishing a voting schedule that starts every Wednesday at 6am PST (2pm HKT) and ends every Sunday at 6am PST (2pm HKT). Additionally, this proposal suggests making the mandatory 7-day AIP Idea phase optional, clarifying that critical community discussion may still occur during the Draft stage.

BENEFIT TO APECOIN ECOSYSTEM:

The aim is to reduce friction in the process and better accommodate the global nature of the DAO. Understandably this expedited voting cadence may lead to less proposals which have been thoroughly reviewed by the Special Council being ready for vote in any given voting period. These changes intentionally create 2 “off” days each week, relieving the community from reviewing or campaigning for live proposals during the beginning of the week and planning for decision-making at the end of each week.

  • Streamlining the voting cycle would expedite community decision-making processes, enabling the community to react more quickly to proposed changes and initiatives.
  • Establishing a fixed voting schedule would enhance predictability and consistency, making it easier for community members to engage in the governance process.
  • Making the AIP Idea phase optional would provide flexibility while ensuring that critical community discussion can still take place during the Draft stage.

STEPS TO IMPLEMENT:

  • Update relevant AIP Process documentation to reflect the proposed changes.
  • The assignment of AIP ID numbers will take place after proposals have been finally approved to move on to the Live voting stage, this will help avoid wasting community resources and help avoid miscommunications in any instances where proposals are withdrawn by the Authors or Returned for Reconstruction.
  • Modify Snapshot settings to accommodate the new schedule.
  • Communicate the changes to the ApeCoin community through official channels.
  • APE Foundation will still reserve the right to modify voting periods at its discretion (e.g. emergencies, risks to the DAO, etc.) with reasonable notice to the community and for non-AIPs (e.g. elections).

OVERALL COST:

This proposal does not require funding.

REPORTING EXPECTATIONS:

Although the expectation is that this proposal would be implemented by the DAO’s administrative team, the community should also regularly review the impact of process proposals. If accepted, the community should review the impact of the updates after the 3-month period for conflict ends.

Does this give delegations enough time to get their votes figured out before casting them in Snapshot?

Also, does it give ApeComms enough time to get the word out to the rest of the DAO?

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Echoing @VonFrontin concerns, there is certainly not enough time for delegations. Most do not even get the AIPs up to their communities within 24 hours of posting. Also, quite a few have councils that set times to meet and discuss AIPs based on their availabilities; this would make it increasingly difficult. Furthermore, 4 days is not enough time for the community get educated because we know most people don’t read AIPs until they are on snapshot.

Case in point, AIP-419 right now has had the most engagement on the X timeline in recent memory. The time for discourse has enabled voters to re-visit their votes, and change their mind. Now the vote has flipped to Against in large part due to early voters such as Yat changing their initial votes. If the proposed timeline was implemented, there would not have been enough time for community discourse to flip this vote.
https://snapshot.org/#/apecoin.eth/proposal/0x91a46e81cc31d442f1fced9fef57c0c7b64154f11aac4822d5c16cbecb3ac39c

IMO such a short window only benefits the subsection of members glued to their screens at the DAO; most members are not. If people aren’t paying attention/busy, then it provides potential to allow people to “sneak” AIPs through when if given more time, the broader community would not have voted it through. The weekends are also notoriously quiet for DAO voters. 3 business days is simply not enough time.

The Idea phase is the only fair opportunity for anyone in the community to have their voice heard. One may not have the votes to make the world of a difference in a snapshot vote, but everyone is on the same playing field for 7-days in the Idea phase on discourse. Voting power doesn’t matter when giving feedback during the Idea phase. Pushing community comment to Draft phase allows any author to effectively bypass obtaining community feedback because they can clear this phase immediately/on the same day if they wanted to.

a) referencing again the short window, I don’t believe makes it easier for community members to engage (see AIP-419 where the additional time has been incredibly helpful), and b) the currently established fixed voting schedule has arguably produced the most meaningful results in both passed AIPs and reasonable time for discourse. Do you feel the results have actually been negative that such a drastic change to the current schedule is necessary?

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Love the passion for getting these ideas out to the community and striving for change — but delegations need time. The DAO needs time. The voters need time.

I recognize that from the perspective of one of ApeCoin’s most knowledgeable, passionate community members who doubles as our stud Lead Facilitator, going beyond what 99% of people would think to do, speeding up this process for our community members and AIP authors might make sense from a high level.

But on top of all the fundamental points already made, our click-through rates going from Snapshot to the ApeCoin forum are critically low. When comparing that to metrics like the number of users who log in daily and page views, we can see how few of our voters are actually reading these proposals.

Therefore, platforms like ApeComms and all the extra hard work you’re putting into educating the community through it play an essential role in combating that trend, which again… needs time to get the messaging out.

Final thoughts: heart is in the right place, but the pathway may be off on this one.

AC

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What is actually happening?
First the standard 6-7 voting period was scratched off for 2 weeks voting period and now this?

If we are to measure the success of the DAO in decades, reducing the voting period from 14 days to 4 does not reduce ‘friction’ by any meaningful amount.
It does however make it more difficult for the community to gather and vote against toxic proposals like AIP-419.

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Hi @Lost,

The community feedback period for your proposal would be ending in roughly 24 hours.

  • If you’re content with the feedback received, your next steps are to finalize your proposal using the AIP Draft Template.

  • A moderator will reach out to the author to finalize the AIP Draft. Upon receipt of the final Draft, we will review and provide instructions on the next steps.

  • Are you ready to proceed to the next phase or do you wish to extend community discussion for another 7 days?

We look forward to hearing from you.

-@Facilitators

Hi @Lost,

Thank you for your ideas [and the ApeCoin DAO community for the insightful discussions].

A moderator will reach out to the author to finalize the AIP Draft using the appropriate template.

  • Once the AIP Draft is confirmed by the author and meets all DAO-approved guidelines, it will receive an AIP ID number and move forward for Draft Analysis Review.
  • @Lost please see your messages for the next steps.

Follow this Topic as further updates will be posted here in the comments. In accordance with DAO-approved guidelines, if the author does not respond within 30 days, the proposal will be automatically transferred to the Withdrawn category, and the author can re-submit the idea.

-@Facilitators