This is a great point. Polling data can become exceptionally biased when it’s not a true randomized sample that covers all relevant demographics. So now we know the opinion of the average follower of Dfarmer who is still active on Twitter, but will that trend maintain true across a much larger segment? Even sticking to Twitter only introduces a lot of bias to those who are still active on Twitter, and follow the account in question.
Which makes me wonder, why not put up the options for vote? You could certainly use informal polling to inform what options to vote on via an AIP.
If we put up 5 options that were all rational, the FEW would be able to simply choose which option they wanted unilaterally.
This conversation will serve as an additional level of input to balance out the aforementioned bias that may arise on a single platform.
That said, we received thousands of votes. I can only dream of that kind of participation on the forums. It would be wonderful if those who are adverse to the options presented so far would run their own polls and present some data.
Well, this is more a critique of our voting system. A critique that I agree with, but a recent AIP that attempted to address this was prevented from even going up for vote. I don’t agree with that.
I personally think more options better combats the whale issue, as if they differ enough in their opinions, it naturally splits the vote. A or B votes offer less room for that variance. That being said, now that Machi has over 7 million $APE, we could just ask him what he wants.
IMO end staking. I believe Yuga has made 3 major errors thus far. One of those major errors was converting BAYC / MAYC into financial instruments via staking. $APE was designed to be bigger than the BAYC / MAYC communities, so let’s move apes back into being for the culture, instead of for the interest rates.
Isn’t this discussion somewhat of a sub-topic of AIP-361 already in draft phase? ie slashing APEonly pool could be an option if there is alignment behind reducing APEstaking emissions in general?
AIP-361 is a general temperature-check proposal designed to gauge community sentiment regarding reducing/eliminating $APE staking emissions as a whole.
This proposal, however, seeks to determine if the community would be open to reallocating 10m ApeCoin from the $APE-only staking pool into the BAYC, MAYC and BAKC pools, making it a more pointed and action-oriented proposal.
AIP-361 would serve as purely a survey, with a follow-up AIP to come later.
And of course, the actual Draft stage of this proposal could very well take on an entirely different form once all community feedback is received. But it is important to note that these discussions are being had in various topics here on the forum, so thank you for raising this.
Great saying The Ape-only pool is the heart of ApeCoin, and I fully support the proposal to slash the NFT staking pools. This will not only enhance the demand for ApeCoin but also make it more attractive. The current statistics clearly show the dominance and importance of the Ape-only pool over the NFT pools
Thanks for sharing this idea @Gerry ! Learning a lot from our lively discussion
For those who may be lacking some context on ApeCoin staking, I’m going to share a chart as well as some quotes & links to refer to (source: AIP-22):
In this chart, I believe the “Period 2” mentioned in this Proposal Idea refers to the rows in “Year 2” on the chart.
Period 2 running from December 12th of 2023 through December 11th 2024
The 66% or 10 Million ApeCoin mentioned refers to the portion of the Year 2 pool that is dedicated to ApeCoin only, as opposed to BAYC/MAYC/BAKC. Per AIP-22:
Staking Pool Allocations:
Initial Staking Period:
* ApeCoin Staking Pool: 30,000,000 ApeCoin Tokens
* BAYC Staking Pool: 47,105,000 ApeCoin Tokens
* MAYC Staking Pool: 19,060,000 ApeCoin Tokens
* BAKC Staking Pool: 3,835,000 ApeCoin Tokens
Note: The combined Staking Pool Allocations for the Initial Staking Period adds up to 100,000,000 ApeCoin tokens, or 10% of total ApeCoin Supply.
The Staking Pool Allocations for Staking Periods following the Initial Staking Period will be determined by the market prices of the BAYC, MAYC, and BAKC NFTs. An average price during Q4 of the previous Staking Period will determine the ratio allocated to each of the Staking Pool types. The ApeCoin Staking Pool will remain constant at 30%.
Note: The BAKC Staking pool can only be utilized if a BAKC NFT is being paired 1:1 with a BAYC or MAYC NFT.
Would love for anyone to pitch in with any other context that may be missing! Thanks all!
I don’t think the ApeCoin only pool should exist, and we should redirect the rewards to an Otherdeed pool.
I tried to get this off the ground months ago. Horizen Labs is completely unresponsive. They basically have our staking site held hostage. Super not a fan of how we set this up.
I concur that the $APE-only pool is currently not contributing significant value to the APE ecosystem. Redirecting this supply to the BAYC, MAYC, and BAKC pools appears to be a more viable solution, prompting my vote for option A. However, it’s crucial to recognize that this serves as a short-term fix rather than a sustainable long-term value proposition.
Shifting gears to a broader discussion, I am of the opinion that, in the long run, it would be more beneficial to allocate $APE inflation through ApeChain. I’ve outlined a brief summary detailing how we could enhance the value for $APE and BAYC/MAYC/BAKC holders by allowing them to stake and actively participate in securing the network, as opposed to merely distributing $APE through LM incentives here: #ApeChain with bayc/mayc/bakc & $ape validators
Let’s make $ape great again. We can do this. #Apestogetherstrong
Our entire staking mechanism needs reworking imo. Over the coming months, I expect we make some meaningful changes. Lots of work to be done once we finally decide on an ApeChain partner.
In favour of a lock-up requirement (with incentives) for staking. Without a mechanism to lock tokens, temporarily restricting supply, staking is fundamentally broken and all it does is create sell pressure.
I agree that the current system does nothing of value. But what additional value does a lock-up provide to the ecosystem beyond artificially reducing the supply? These sorts of systems in crypto usually go to 0 over time, as at their core, they’re not sustainable. They’re not actually contributing anything positive to the ecosystem.
I think we should end all staking until there’s a point-in-time where the act of “staking” actually provides value. E.g. the equivalent to running an ETH validator or a BTC mining rig. These have proven to be successful, and they actually provide value to the core ecosystem outside of an attempt to make number go up.
to be clear, i’m not a big fan of staking. Was just saying that without some kind of mechanism for balancing the constant sell pressure that staking naturally produces we will always struggle to lift the value of apecoin. I think it might be interesting to have other non-Yuga collections commit to being staking partners essentially creating one pool with a list of qualifying NFTs (not just apes) who earn yield based on some calculations that I haven’t really thought through.
Maybe said collections acquire a stake in Apecoin and lock that… maybe the yield on their collection increases based on the size of position locked… i’m spit balling but there are probably some inventive ways of making it interesting.
Certainly! I think I’m just tired of crypto’s many attempts to make number go up while not actually considering how to build long-term sustainable ecosystems. I’d agree that lockup periods would probably be better than the current money drip system. I just don’t think at their core, either system does anything good for $APE. We see Yuga asset holders arguing for more benefit to them. People with only $APE arguing for more benefit for them. Not surprising as we’re going to look out for our own best interests, just tiresome.
maybe there is cause for a complete re-write of the staking program and have it ‘pay out’ reward points instead of tokens. You can accrue reward points based on your inventory (ape only, ape+$ape, $ape only etc) and those reward points translate into prizes / experiences funded via a reward pool / grant
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The Ape-only pool is the heart of ApeCoin, and I fully support the proposal to slash the NFT staking pools. This will not only enhance the demand for ApeCoin but also make it more attractive. The current statistics clearly show the dominance and importance of the Ape-only pool over the NFT pools
