AIP-385: GWG Delegate Accelerator

Glad that delegate initiative can start getting support.

Making sure smaller voices get heard was the reason to start it, and we need more of these delegates to represent the different voices around the globe.

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I have talked to @NFD and also messaged him before posting this on Discord. Happy for him to share comments here or via a DM.

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Hey @bigbull thanks for putting this together. Does this AIP idea include any plans to help organize delegate information so it’s easier for community members to find and learn more about each group?

I know a few community members have had preliminary discussions on what something like this might look like. I was curious if a tool to help address that would be part of this.

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I like this Big Bull, there is a lot of smaller communities in web 3 that can bring their communities to the DAO

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Loving your vision and 3 key areas that you are focusing on.

Community is key :old_key:

Sustainability is key :old_key:

Leadership and Innovation is key :old_key: to keep up with ever changing Web3

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Hi @bigbull ,

The community feedback period for your proposal would be ending in less than 24 hours.

  • If you’re content with the feedback received, your next steps are to finalize your proposal using the AIP Draft Template.

  • A moderator will reach out to the author to finalize the AIP Draft. Upon receipt of the final Draft, we will review and provide instructions on the next steps.

  • Are you ready to proceed to the next phase or do you wish to extend community discussion for another 7 days?

We look forward to hearing from you.

-@Facilitators

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Given it is holidays for many people. I think good to extend for another 7 days.

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Can’t wait to get started…

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Hi ApeCoin DAO Community,

@bigbull has requested to extend the community discussion period for this AIP idea. This topic will automatically close a further 7 days from now. We encourage the community to continue to engage in thoughtful discussions through constructive criticism, honest feedback, and helpful suggestions.

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-@Facilitators

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Hello, the Mutant Cartel has a newly established delegation, MCEmissary.eth. You can reach out to myself or @codeiaks. Looking forward to working together!

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Love to see it!!

!Howl

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Would love to work with you on defining what ‘active’ and ‘functional’ mean in this context. imho there’s a lot of potential directions those two words could go, especially when there’s a lot of people involved, and the success of those two words becomes like a foundation for the success of the whole initiative

Some food for thought; (just general brainstorm/discussion topics)
Re ‘active’, maybe tracking and publicly displaying in a leaderboard of sorts;

  • Voting streaks, consecutive voting by delegate
  • Forum activity, response times to authors
  • Clarifying primary preferred communication method with Authors (some delegates prefer forum, others prefer Discord, others prefer Twitter, TG, WeChat etc, needs to be streamlined or at least clarified which to use)
  • Somehow singling to future authors proactively, what type of proposals the delegates want to see. Signaling to increase alignment, instead of authors writing proposals no-one wants
  • Increased visibility based on activity, climbing the leaderboard etc

Re ‘Functional’

  • Letting people chose multiple delegates, in sequence, so if a delegate fails to vote, the delegatee’s vote automatically moves to the next delegate in their queue, no lost votes, and no damage if a delegate goes MIA
  • Having some mechanism for delegates to discuss more directly together, the monthly meetings have been great so far, wondering what a good follow up ‘in-between’ comm method could be to keep convos going in between those monthly meetings
  • Fixing the snapshot API issue to ensure proper vote counts are being displayed (working on this one, just putting it in here for transparency)

Just a few thoughts while sipping coffee while still on vacation, looking forward to coming back and supporting more :sunglasses: :+1:

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Thanks for the feedback. FYI, I will edit the initial feedback soon, just organised it first.

Good to also get others feedback, so I will adjust this draft accordingly.

Potential to create a leaderboard of delegation or expand this function on the main apecoin website.

Active
  • Voting streaks, consecutive voting by delegation.
  • Clarifying primary preferred communication method with Authors (some delegates prefer forum, others prefer Discord, others prefer Twitter, TG, WeChat etc, needs to be streamlined or at least clarified which to use)
  • Somehow singling to future authors proactively, what type of proposals the delegates want to see. Signaling to increase alignment, instead of authors writing proposals no-one wants
  • Increased visibility based on activity, climbing the leaderboard.

Questions

  • Forum activity, response times to authors.
    I think they won’t want this kind of monitoring.
Functional
  • Having some mechanism for delegates to discuss more directly together, the monthly meetings have been great so far, wondering what a good follow up ‘in-between’ comm method could be to keep convos going in between those monthly meetings
  • Fixing the snapshot API issue to ensure proper vote counts are being displayed (working on this one, just putting it in here for transparency)

Questions

  • Letting people chose multiple delegates, in sequence, so if a delegate fails to vote, the delegatee’s vote automatically moves to the next delegate in their queue, no lost votes, and no damage if a delegate goes MIA.
    By using gnosis backed delegation they can easily change who is managing the delegation. This solves the issue of inactive delegation leaders.

What do you think about Delegations getting rewarded with ApeCoin voting rights from the ApeCoin Dao outside of the APE their community has delegated?

If this is done, should it be proportional? or taper down as their delegation gains voting power? E.g. Do we ask for an allocation from the ApeCoin Dao to match or partially match Apecoin.

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Can you explain your idea here in more detail. Thanks. FYI more details have been filled out since you last looked at the idea.

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Hi @bigbull ,

The community feedback period for your proposal would be ending in roughly 24 hours.

  • If you’re content with the feedback received, your next steps are to finalize your proposal using the AIP Draft Template.
  • A moderator will reach out to the author to finalize the AIP Draft. Upon receipt of the final Draft, we will review and provide instructions on the next steps.
  • Are you ready to proceed to the next phase or do you wish to extend community discussion for another 7 days?

We look forward to hearing from you.

-@Facilitators

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Anytime! Happy to be a part of this discussion :+1:

Do you mean like direct from the ApeCoin treasury? Sorry not sure I understood what you meant exactly, wanted to double check first

So long as they actually go back and check in, I just meant setting up a couple failsafes in advance to automatically kick in

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There are various options here.

  1. Direct from ApeCoin Treasury.
  2. Funds transferred to wallet under management of GWG DAO.

I don’t think delegates want their community going elsewhere. It is more about incentives and education so these delegations are active and functional.

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I like the idea of incentives to delegates, it’s def a topic worth exploring more. I think it would be interesting to hear some more community input on this one. Using the Ape treasury for voting could end up being a somewhat polarized topic either way. One thing I like about its potentiality is that it could help a really diligent but small delegate become more influential if/when stagnant voter wallets aren’t able to prop that diligent delegate up. On the flip side, it could accidentally make a huge delegate even bigger

I wonder if maybe there’s a cap of some sort, with some minimum requirements. Like, must be N active, with N wallets already in the delegate of N total size, to a max of N size, and if those conditions are met (plus whatever other conditions), then N amount of Ape from the treasury is permitted to automatically support that delegate up until that delegate passes the max cap.

Something like that could possibly incentivize people to a) become delegates in the first place, b) be good/diligent delegates, and c) help give those delegates liftoff to attract actual voter wallets. Then when they get big enough, remove the Treasury allocations so they then continue on more organically longer-term

Just thinking out loud here…very new concept I had not considered before, interesting…

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