Shout it out now!

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Is it time for the Ape Foundation, Special Council, Working Group committees, facilitators, Banana Bill, and ApeChain personnel to speak out the issues honestly and the challenges faced since elected, as no one knows better than you all in the DAO?

Example

Challenge:

Issue:

It is crucial and meaningful for DAO future management setup and improvement.
Since @BojangleGuy and @Waabam already took the first step, now or never.

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I don’t think this will happen. At least not publicly.

Also, me personally, I think that it would be too distracting and will serve no purpose other than to continue pouring salt on an open wound.

We already know that the DAO simply isn’t working as designed. Now, this whole fracas has made it a tipping point for change. So, I would much rather be the solution (which has always been my goal) than the problem (for which I was accused of FUDing and incessant complaining).

For now, lets get over this incident hurdle of closing the working groups before we tackle the other challenges. One step at a time works a lot better - as long as we all keep our eyes on the prize.

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Not intent to FUD or complain, but the insiders should be able to see the issue clearer, sometimes people don’t feel it himself.
Face the problem, define a solution, avoid it happening again in the future.

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Remember when I proposed to Elect a Leader of the DAO?

Problem is that all these working groups and SC are like trains without a head :steam_locomotive:

There needs to be a handover, delegation, management, contact person who also leads the grand Vision.

The word Decentralized is not just black or white if we create a meaningful solution.

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Remember when I tried to fire the entire Special Council? I got banned over the 0xPolygon fiasco before I could follow through with it. Good times. lol AIP-359: Special Council Vote of No Confidence

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In your AIP for WGs, any reason this is not included?

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Yes, several reasons.

My goal was to close the 3 new working groups, leaving GwG unaffected. Once I found out that there were on-going behind-the-scenes effort to streamline the DAO, further confirmed by Wabaam on X, as well as in discussions with others, I added the GwG to the mix.

Dissolving the SC is apparently a much more involved process due to the fact that they are part of the Ape Foundation.

There was a recent discussion about specifically this Removing/Impeaching Elected Candidates. In that thread, I also explained the challenge of doing so and what my experience was.

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Dismiss WGs, reconstruct Ape Foundation, and consolidate the Banana Bills, ApeChain personnel.
Stop using Coinbase Prime; don’t see the benefit of using it when there are SAFE multisignatures available.

  • Define the management and operation team responsibility and accountability, hiring term, and impeachment procedure.
  • Enhance cross-functionality transparency of Ape Foundation.
  • Having non-pay positions as Foundation leaders, select from Yuga and active DAO members in rotation to lead the vision and mission.
  • Grants implement milestone-based funding, a majority vote (69% 250k, 80% 500k, etc.).

Ape Foundation > Leaders > Department > Who
No more shadow position!

Please suggest ideas.

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Hi all,

@likkee.eth although I do somewhat agree, and this could be a great way to understand who really has the best interest of the DAO in mind. I also agree with @SmartAPE that we do have a pretty good idea of the issues we face, and with so much broken, I believe we are likely better off proposing a comprehensive plan for a complete overhaul of the current structure.

I feel one question is. Does the SC etc even work as a solution to how a larger DAO can run successfully? If not then the issues they currently have would be irrelevant, and the ‘whistleblower’ approach would serve more as a “who wants to be on the right side of history”.

One thing that is crucial, is the understanding of exactly what the day to day is for the SC. For example, do they deal with,

  • Legal requirements
  • Accounting

These are of course areas that can’t be ignored, and would need careful consideration as to find replacements for these roles. External contracts likely makes sense, if this isn’t something already in place.

This is always a tough one, like you say, decentralisation is not black and white. I do feel that an element of centralisation in the early stages of the DAO is a sensible move, as this helps steer the ship. But as mentioned a lot this week, transparency and accountability are crucial.

This doesn’t seem very DAO like :sweat_smile:. Although I don’t have the time to read through that entire thread today, I commend you for your ability to stand up. You also strike me as someone similar to myself, that doesn’t mince their words, and I like that. We need more of that.

Overall, I feel that we 100% need a redesign of the structure. Any input from current inside positions would be helpful, but if they don’t want to come forward then we can design it regardless.

Either way this is an uphill battle. Most things that need to be done undermine the power of the larger token holders and people currently receiving large salaries.

The way I believe we succeed is with mutually beneficial changes. This industry, like all others is runs on clout, and for that reason we do need the whales and larger personalities. Everyone has a role.

So how do we design a structure that respects every role? I believe there is a compromise. After all, without change the DAO will slowly die, and that benefits no one. The benefit we now have is lots of discussions are currently taking place around this matter.

I am mainly AFK today, but looking forward to continued conversation with you all.

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Had rephrase the wording, so it wouldn’t be in “whistleblower” approach.

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Ah ok, and yes, I agree that 'whistleblower was the wrong wording to use. In essence I meant that anyone coming forward with insights from the inside would show their commitment to change.

After continued thought. I believe that what we need from them is their view on the solution, based on their experience in the roles.

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