AIP-319: Create the Sporting League of the Otherside (NFTeams) + 5,000 free 3D Player Mint

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Hiya Steve! Likewise!

@day25

Not sure what your definition of “failed” is, but from my point of view (of someone who has been here from day 1 and played every game that has been released), I can say they have continued to build some fun games with good $APE sinks.

Well, I use the definition by which games are financially judged. That being based on installs, MAU, adoption, social metrics etc. In the case of Yuga games - as I have posted before - they are catering to a very small market segment.

As I posted here in my voting reform AIP:

When I joined ApeCoin DAO on June 29th, 2023, the ApeCoin hodlers were at 123,508 ,. A few days ago, it was 129,666 . You can see the metrics. I am on Edge and can’t run metrics using my Metamask wallet because it doesn’t work. But you can run it yourself for today’s snapshot.

• July 16, 2022 - Yuga launches 1st Otherside trip → 81,719
• Mar 25th, 2023 - Yuga launches 2nd Otherside trip → 114,764
• June 29, 2023, Yuga launches HV:MTL game → 123,508
• July 27, 2023, Today’s Snapshot → 129,780

So, between June 29th and July 27th, almost a month later, only 6,272 $APE “wallets” have entered the ecosystem.

And those metrics don’t even tell the whole story because individuals can have several wallets that hold $APE. I personally now have 3 wallets with $APE. Long story.

Add to that the fact that even with 129,780 wallets, Discourse and Discord combined, don’t even represent 10% of the Ape community proper. In fact, Discourse barely represents 6%.

There’s literally zero interest in it outside of the pre-existing Web3 bubble cluster. You know why that is? There’s ZERO incentive and ZERO reason to be a part of it. The people who even have a passing interest in the Ape community - unlike most of us - are in it for the money and the value of their bags. They can do all that by staring at CEX/DEX charts 24-7, engaging in social media feeds where they can actually influence the trends of their $APE bags etc. Why on this God’s Earth would they come here ? What’s the incentive? What’s in it for them ?

Right now, you can go to Twitter and run search metrics for $APE and see the results. In fact, try it on Google trends.

My point is that there’s literally nothing sparking interest in $APE. This is an absolute fact that nobody seems to care much about, let alone pay attention to.

So, if those “fun games with good $APE sinks” aren’t landing, how is that a positive? I don’t see it - and I’ve been doing those for over three decades now and nothing about gaming slips past me - not even a little bit.

If a game is created for an audience of 130K and they make enough money to recoup investment costs, then of course that’s a financial success for Yuga. Especially if it monetizes well. But those aren’t adoption or growth metrics.

That’s what I meant by that.

@day25

Don’t get me wrong, the current HVMTL game is boring and tedious, but there is no doubt it is a well-built game. I can see the massive improvement in the quality of each new game and don’t expect that to stop any time soon. It’s pretty clear they have a world-class gaming studio being built out.

Like Dookey Dash before it, HVY:MTL is also a re-skin of a previous Web2 game.

@day25

As there are more and more games coming out and even other studios (like your own) trying to incorporate $APE into their games, it could be something as simple as a candy crush style game that hits with an $APE sink.

Such as? I am not aware of any games coming out in the next 12-18 months that use $APE. Even the upcoming Wrecked League which was been in dev for quite sometime isn’t exclusively using $APE.

FYI, for this DAO alone, this is the AIP trend for games:

List of gaming AIPs

Approved by DAO vote
AIP-280
AIP-105

Rejected by DAO vote
AIP-179
AIP-219
AIP-103
AIP-78

@day25

You seem to be stuck in the present here. For me, it’s about the potential. You could use this argument about anything new that is created. It’s not number 1 therefore it is pointless? a strange take. But I did see people saying this about ETH (hey, I was one of them), when it was released. We already had Bitcoin, why do we need anything else, it has no chance of succeeding. Until it did.

It’s not about being stuck in the present, though. It’s about trends & metrics which is how we judge these things. I used those metrics to make a point regarding your comment. Regardless, you’re correct that a snapshot in time could apply to anything. But it’s that very same snapshot that is used for metrics.

For example, this is Brian’s latest (Aug 10th) analysis over at Cryptopolitan.

ApeCoin Price Prediction 2023-2032: BAYC sales crush, Sell Sentiment for APE?

Plus with “Top 500 holders hold 98.19% of all ApeCoins, which is highly centralized” that’s a massive problem and the reason for $APE stagnation.

@day25

I’m an optimist and try and see what is to come and not what currently is. That has rewarded me well over the decades. I believe you are an older guy like me (I’m in my mid-40s), and if we decide that everything good has already been done, we would never have got Bitcoin, web3, NFTs and all the other amazing things being built.

Absolutely agree with this. Which is specifically why I am here because I am used to being the underdog and know what it feels like. lol

ps. I am 60. And grumpy as hell. Just ask the fam here.

@day25

I personally can’t wait for Otherside to open up. I see my kids playing Roblox every day and want to find a space on the internet where I can chill with mates while online. Yuga has shown they can bring communities together, and I feel that will be the first use case of the Otherside. I know I’ll be having sporting watch parties with 500+ NFTeam owners in the Otherside.

I thus far haven’t seen anything to make me believe that any gamer would leave Roblox or Fortnite for Otherside. Those games took years to get where they are today and they have momentum and strong MAUs on their side. I mean, Axie, Sandbox etc are all down the drain because they catered to an audience that cared less about games.

Gamers - real gamers - don’t care about P2E. They care about having great experiences that they can share with their friends.

@day25

I’m guessing you also were not here for the Otherside playtests, where we played an actual game. Anyone can (and they will) build games on each parcel of land. That’s what I plan to do for the players. You will need to come into a training facility on an otherdeed and play mini-games to increase/decrease your stats.

I was around (not here on ApeCoin) for both Otherside trips. I believe that they’re going to run into the same problem that every single Web3 game community has run into: adoption. Nobody is going to leave their current games for a janky, featureless, wasteland. That’s the problem that Yuga is looking at - and they know this.

@day25

So that’s my opinion on why I am more than happy to move my entire company to an $ApeCoin standard. I think the risk/reward is very much in my favour. Again, I’m not saying this is a 100% gurantee, I’m just saying that in my opinion, IF (and it’s a big IF), there is a web3 gaming currency, it will most likely be $APE that succeeds.

Indeed. However, the question that I always ask myself is “Why would any gamer move to an $APE ecosystem?” And the answer needs to be a compelling one, otherwise - again - it’s just catering to the same $APE cluster (130K - not accounting for holders with multiple wallets). So, how are you planning for this?

Let me give you an example. In my case (shameless plug: check out my game AIP), my name, rep and install base are my front-runners because for decades I have cultivated a dedicated following (albeit not a massive one) of Web2 gamers who, even if only 25% of them follow me into Web3, is a win of epic proportions. Then, when they come, the challenge is going to be in making sure they stay. And the only way to do that is by keeping them engaged in a good game that’s not Web3 “in your face”. Blending Web2 gamers with Web3 is the single best way to grow any Web3 game that’s look to scale beyond the community hug box.

ps. I voted for your AIP thread because I think it’s a great marketing idea.