AIP-454: The BANANA Bill: Apes Gotta Eat


The BANANA Bill: Apes Gotta Eat



Waabam, APE Foundation
Aepicurean, Full Moon Labs
Blockchainzilla, Horizen Labs
BoredApeG, APE Foundation
Hazel, APE Foundation

Proposed Advisory Committee:

The proposed Advisory Committee is composed of community members with an array of expertises to leverage for the benefit of the Banana Program and APE Ecosystem. Their experiences have taken them across the globe and their skills cover, amongst other things, venture investment, brand and partnership strategy, legal and commercial execution, community relations, and entrepreneurship. The authors have spoken with each proposed member, all of whom expressed they would accept the role in their personal capacity if the Banana Program is approved.

Cameron Kates

Cameron Kates is the Chief Legal Officer at Yuga Labs. Before joining Yuga Labs, Cameron was a corporate attorney at national and international law firms. He took the crypto red pill in 2016, and has represented many leading NFT projects and marketplaces, token marketplaces, DeFi projects, layer-1s and layer-2s, and everything in between. When not doom-scrolling crypto twitter, Cameron can be found cheering for Philadelphia sports teams.

Won Kim

Won Kim is the Head of Brand Partnerships at Yuga Labs. Before joining Yuga Labs, Won co-founded Bored Room Ventures, a Web3 investment and consulting firm. His journey into the blockchain world follows an extensive career as a brand strategy and media executive, crafting compelling brand stories and forging strategic partnerships. Won’s experience spans global enterprises like Disney, Alibaba, and IPG, as well as startups such as Digg, Vault, and BRV. Won lives in NYC, but you can mostly find him on Twitter @wonk1m.


Captain Trippy is an ApeCoin Community member and outgoing ApeCoin DAO Special Council member. Captain Trippy is currently a CEO, business adviser, investor and entrepreneur. Captain Trippy has a strong interest in the success of ApeChain and has been a steward and key team member from idea to current status. Leaning on his business experience and time working with the ApeChain team, he has a desire to continue to represent the community and to build upon his work to see ApeChain become a vibrant ecosystem for builders, gamers, entrepreneurs and beyond.

Minh Do

Minh Do is the Chief Operating Officer at Animoca Brands. Working on ApeCoin was the very first live project he worked on as part of the Animoca Brands team. Prior to joining Animoca Brands, Minh was an active investor in Web3 and blockchain and served as a global executive for the Gerson Lehrman Group, a New York headquartered financial and information services company. Minh started his career as a lawyer and remains an active angel investor. Minh is based at the global headquarters of Animoca Brands in Hong Kong. He is an active Twitter lurker @minhdo.


Waabam, an ApeCoin DAO Special Council member, is currently one of the production leads on ApeChain. Prior to his involvement in the ApeCoin DAO, Waabam worked in the corporate group of a national law firm where he performed due diligence and ran the data room on billion-dollar transactions. As a teenager, Waabam sold virtual items in EverQuest for a life-changing amount of real-life money, which ignited a passion for digital ownership and gaming that has carried over into his career in web3 and blockchain gaming. Waabam moonlights as a degen and is one of the top gold farmers on Blast.


Individual with industry-leading expertise in venture investment, gaming, and/or commercial execution, and a strong network in the Asia-Pacific region.


Individual with industry-leading expertise in venture investment, gaming, and/or commercial execution, and a strong network in Europe, the Middle-East and Africa (EMEA).

Proposed Regional Community Advisors:

The Regional Community Advisors would support the Advisory Committee by providing community-centric feedback (e.g., whether the community would support a certain type of project on ApeChain). The intention is to leverage the global presence of the ApeCoin DAO so that the Banana Program has access to the best projects around the globe, and so that the Advisory Committee and Special Council can better understand the differences and opportunities. These advisors will not be asked to negotiate or review deal terms.

[Up to 3 representatives from the ApeCoin community in Asia, including at least one from Chinese Ape Club]
[Up to 3 representatives from the ApeCoin community in Europe, including at least one member from the French Ape Yacht Club or UK Ape Club]
[Up to 2 representatives from the ApeCoin community in North America]
[Up to 3 representatives from the ApeCoin community in other regions of the world]

Proposed Strategic Accounts Manager:

Horizen Labs will act as the Strategic Accounts Manager. Their efforts will focus on, among other things, (i) researching and identifying projects that may be suitable for the Banana Program, (ii) developing relationships with these new projects, (iii) gathering competitor data and conducting market research, and (iv) generally promoting and building brand recognition for ApeChain.

Their work will be led by:


Spencer “Blockchainzilla” Soloway is an experienced Web3 and business executive. Currently the VP of Ecosystem Growth at Horizen Labs, where he has served for 2 years, he has been a leading voice and advocate around ApeChain from the beginning. Previously, he ran a successful marketing and strategy agency and has a background in growth, building partnerships, and business development, having served in multiple roles around cutting-edge technologies.


Tyler “tlogs.eth” Logsdon is an inactive CPA, FINRA Registered Representative (Series 7), & Certified Bitcoin Professional who has led finance teams in the web3 space for +7 years. He is currently the Director of Finance at Horizen Labs and specializes in modeling blockchain architecture & tokenomics.

Proposed Program Facilitator:

Full Moon Labs will act as the Program Facilitator. Their work will focus on, among other things (i) developing and tracking the Banana Program partnership pipeline, (ii) analyzing the suitability of projects for the User Incentive Initiative and Commercial Agreement Initiative, (iii) performing diligence on prospective Banana Program participants, (iv) making recommendation to the Advisory Committee about prospective Banana Program participants, and (v) tracking performance of Banana Program participants (e.g., whether milestones are achieved).

Their work will be led by:


Jordan “Aepicurean” Calinoff is the Founding Partner of Full Moon Labs, an ecosystem growth consultancy working on the launch of ApeChain. Aepicurean’s previous roles include VP of Strategy & Revenue at Horizen Labs; Director of the US Stress Scenario Coordination and Analysis team at UBS; Senior Research Analyst at Elliott Management (a $73bn multi-strategy hedge fund); and founder of a frontier market consulting firm focused on deal making in South America.


This proposal requests funding to support the long-term sustainability and growth of ApeChain through the creation of the “Banana Program”, with two complementary initiatives:

  • a Commercial Agreements Initiative; and
  • a User Incentives Initiative

The Commercial Agreements Initiative is tasked with negotiating commercial agreements with projects, companies and protocols committed to building on ApeChain. These commercial agreements will cover a wide array of structures and incentive models, including the possibility of revenue shares, collaborations, and other ownership arrangements. However, a key commonality will be that the terms of the commercial agreements will provide value to the ApeCoin DAO.

The commercial agreements may also incentivize builders to use community and stakeholder intellectual property in games, activations and/or protocols utilizing ApeChain, and to integrate ApeCoin into game and protocol economics on ApeChain.

Any proceeds generated from the commercial agreements will be redirected back into the overall budget for the programs so that this will become a reusable source of funding for supporting and growing ApeChain. Proceeds may come in various forms, such as tokens, revenue share (fiat or crypto), stock, or assets. Given that each of these will need to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis (e.g. what wallet would crypto revenue share be transferred to), the Special Council will determine for each Commercial Agreement how the proceeds will be returned to the Banana Program for continued use during the two year term, or returned to the ApeCoin DAO.

Similarly, the User Incentives Initiative (as detailed further below) will distribute user incentives with the goal of proportionally growing the network, and may be used as a part of the overall package when negotiating the core economic terms of the commercial agreements.

The Advisory Committee will oversee both programs, including providing endorsements for commercial agreements that will be subject to Special Council veto-authority. The Advisory Committee will be initially composed of the members noted above, and will be supported in day-to-day operations by a Program Facilitator and Strategic Accounts Manager.

This proposal will create a vibrant and attractive environment for game publishers and developers, DeFi protocols, and others seeking to build on ApeChain. The commercial agreements will aim to create a steady stream of future revenue and value, empowering the ApeCoin DAO to continue funding growth many years into the future.

This proposal will Bolster ApeChain Network Activity through New Allocations (BANANA). This is the BANANA Bill: Apes Gotta Eat.


We anticipate that the ApeCoin DAO will receive ongoing revenue from capturing around 77.5% of the fees generated from user activity on ApeChain. As such, ensuring the chain’s success should be a top priority of the DAO.

Additionally, the chain’s growth will offer other valuable opportunities for the DAO, including but not limited to airdrop negotiations, bridge liquidity with associated fee capture, and increased utility for $APE.

(1) User Incentives Initiative for ApeChain

The User Incentives Initiative will provide a pool of rewards for users of ApeChain. This initiative will focus on growing the ApeChain ecosystem by educating and encouraging users to try out different dApps, with the goal of a larger proportion of rewards being allocated to dApps that most strongly contribute to the sustainable growth of ApeChain. This initiative will also focus on indirectly growing the ApeChain ecosystem by incentivizing the creation of dApps, community intellectual property, and other content on ApeChain.

The initiative will be overseen by the Advisory Committee with support from the Program Facilitator and Strategic Accounts Manager. The responsibilities of the Advisory Committee include:

  • Negotiating the size and methods of distribution of incentives through dApps.
  • Creating and managing user incentive analytics, such as growth and adoption metrics, to measure the benefits of the incentives
  • Identifying industry leading incentive distribution methods and implementing them on ApeChain.

(2) The Commercial Agreements Initiative for ApeChain

The Commercial Agreements Initiative will facilitate the seamless creation of bespoke commercial agreements with companies and individuals that want to utilize ApeChain. The Advisory Committee may also leverage the User Incentives Initiative to optimize the terms of the commercial agreements. This initiative will be overseen by the Advisory Committee, with day-to-day support from the Program Facilitator and Strategic Accounts Manager. The responsibilities of the Advisory Committee in overseeing the Commercial Agreements Program include:

  • Reviewing Proposals: reviewing proposals for commercial agreements submitted by applicants, including the potential for value accrual for the ApeCoin DAO.
  • Assessing Alignment with Ecosystem Growth Strategy: Beyond purely economic analysis, evaluating whether the proposed commercial agreements align with the mission, strategy, and values of ApeChain and the ApeCoin DAO. They may only endorse partnerships or collaborations that benefit the ApeCoin DAO and advance its objectives.
  • Financial Analysis: analyzing the financial aspects of proposed commercial agreements, including:
    • Potential for value accrual
    • Costs
    • Profitability
    • Sustainability
  • Risk Assessment: Conducting risk assessments of each proposed commercial agreement. This involves evaluating potential risks and benefits, assessing financial implications, legal considerations, reputational risks, and any other factors that may impact ApeChain.
  • Due Diligence: Performing due diligence on potential partners or collaborators to ensure their credibility, reliability, and suitability for the proposed commercial agreement. This may include background checks, financial analysis, and assessment of past performance.
  • Legal Review: In collaboration with legal counsel, reviewing proposed commercial agreements under applicable laws, regulations, and policies.
  • Decision Making: Based on their evaluations and assessments, recommending which commercial agreements to enter, which are subject to veto by the Special Council of the APE Foundation.
  • Monitoring and Oversight: Once commercial agreements are approved and implemented, providing ongoing monitoring and oversight to monitor compliance with agreed-upon terms and objectives. The Advisory Committee may periodically review performance metrics, financial reports, and other relevant information to assess the effectiveness and impact of the agreements.
  • Reporting: The Advisory Committee charter will be made public, and each quarter there will be a transparency report disclosing the total amount allocated that quarter, and outlining which commercial agreements have been made (but not the specific terms of each agreement), subject to any duties of confidentiality negotiated with the counterparty in the commercial contract.


Advisory Committee: The group of five or more advisors responsible for overseeing the Commercial Agreements Initiative and the User Incentive Initiative.

Commercial Agreements Initiative: The Commercial Agreements Initiative will negotiate commercial agreements with projects, companies and protocols committed to building on ApeChain.

Project Facilitator: The person or persons responsible for providing day-to-day operational support of the Advisory Committee.

Regional Community Advisors: The persons responsible for providing the Advisory Committee with community-centric feedback, including whether the community in their geographical region would support a certain type of project on ApeChain.

Strategic Accounts Manager: The person or persons responsible for account management, business development, and business assessment of proposed projects and their tokenomics.

User Incentives Initiative: The User Incentives Initiative will provide a pool of rewards for users of ApeChain.


Initial Steps towards Implementation:

  • Within 14 days of passage of this proposal, the Advisory Committee, Program Facilitator and Strategic Accounts Manager will negotiate detailed Scopes of Work (e.g., the terms of their agreements) with the APE Foundation.
  • After the confirmation of the Scope of Work, the Foundation will draw up contracts for the above.
  • The Advisory Committee will be required to provide a transparency report on their accomplishments towards the DAO on a quarterly basis.
  • The APE Foundation will work with their legal counsel to determine the appropriate legal structure for this initiative.


The Banana Program provides an opportunity for the DAO to exercise its commercial power, but to do so, the Advisory Committee and Special Council must maintain flexibility and negotiating weight. While, the Banana Program’s north star is to provide as much value back to ApeChain and the ApeCoin DAO as possible, whether that comes in the form of utility, increased usage, financial returns or otherwise, publishing specific milestones, KPIs, expectations or risks could be used by counterparties to seek more favorable Commercial Agreements.

However, the Advisory Committee and Special Council will supervise internal KPIs and other metrics to measure the success of the Banana Program, and the performance of the Program Facilitator and Strategic Accounts Manager. These KPIs and other metrics may include, but are not limited to, Banana Program transactions, benefits resulting from allocated funds, geographic distribution and sector penetration and segmentation, DAU and MAU, and attention metrics.

Additionally, the Program Facilitator, Strategic Accounts Manager, Advisory Committee and Special Council will meet regularly to discuss goals, progress with respect to success metrics, and approaches to reducing risk for the Banana Program. The Advisory Committee and Special Council will leverage the APE Ecosystem’s expansive network of experts, community leaders, entrepreneurs, and innovators to increase the opportunities for the Banana Program’s to succeed.

Initial Guidelines on the Implementation of Initiatives

User Incentives Initiative Guidelines:

  • Early user incentive rewards will be allocated in the largest proportion to dApps that most strongly contribute to the sustainable growth of ApeChain. This includes but is not limited to:
    • dApps that incorporate token sinks or lock-ups
    • dApps that utilize community IP in novel ways
    • dApps that utilize novel features of ApeChain infrastructure
  • The criteria for setting the dApp incentives will be continually reassessed and determined by the Program Facilitator with oversight from the Advisory Committee, and the APE Foundation.

Commercial Agreements Initiative Guidelines: Infrastructure

  • The Program Facilitator and Strategic Accounts Manager, in coordination with the Advisory Committee, will regularly assess the state of the art in the industry and put out RFPs for critical on-chain infrastructure.
  • Additionally, on-chain infrastructure providers and builders may apply directly for funding.
  • The Advisory Committee will be responsible for reviewing competitive market pricing and negotiating economics and other commercial arrangements accordingly.
  • The Advisory Committee will create milestone guidelines and implementation timelines through working with the Program Facilitator, Strategic Accounts Manager and the Special Council of the APE Foundation.

Commercial Agreements Initiative: Games, DeFi, and other activations

  • Developers or publishers must agree on a commercial agreement value share through tokens, revenue share (post recoupment), or other pathways. Other considerations include active use of Ape Community IP, pass-throughs of ApeCoin as user incentives and other key strategies that intangibly benefit the Ape ecosystem.
  • The Advisory Committee, with support from the Program Facilitator and Strategic Accounts Manager, will create more detailed deal structure guidelines upon its formation.
  • The Advisory Committee will create transparent reporting guidelines and work with the Program Facilitator and Strategic Accounts Manager to build and maintain that platform.


  • June 20, 2024: AIP goes to vote
  • July 3, 2024: DAO voting concludes
  • July 3 - July 17 2024: Statements of work finalized and contracts executed
  • July 24, 2024: Commercial Agreements Initiative and User Incentives Initiatives begin
  • July 24, 2026: The Banana Program will be complete, with any remaining funds returned to the DAO treasury.


As detailed above, transparency reports will be provided quarterly by the Advisory Committee to the APE Foundation, who will then make the reports public. The Program Facilitator will continually work with the ApeCoin DAO Governance Working Group to improve transparency and identify technology tools that should be implemented to improve the visibility of these initiatives for DAO members.


Total: 100 Million ApeCoin with target allocations to the following initiatives:

User Incentives Initiative: 23 Million APE in total
Commercial Agreements Initiative: 73 Million APE in total
Administrative Budget: 2 Million APE per year, to be paid Quarterly

  • Advisory Committee: up to 1,250,000 APE
  • Program Facilitator (including all team members): up to 300,000 APE
  • Strategic Accounts Manager (including all team members): up to 450,000 APE

The Program Facilitator and Strategic Accounts Manager will rely on additional team members and resources at their respective companies to perform all of their responsibilities as needed, staying within the Administrative Budget allocated above, with any changes subject to Special Council approval.

The administrative budget is also meant to cover any incidental costs related to the management of the program, including compensation for the Regional Community Advisors. The administrative budget is currently estimated at 2% of the total budget annually and should not exceed 3%. Note that this administrative budget is an estimate, and may be higher or lower depending on the number of Advisory Committee members.

The compensation paid to each eligible Advisory Committee member will be based on their experience and skillset. However, in all cases, the total amount paid to any individual Advisory Committee member will not exceed 250,000 APE per-year, and all compensation will be subject to a 50% one-year lockup.

Specifically Approved Limitations:

  • Yuga Labs may not receive any funds from the Banana Program, whether under the Commercial Agreements Initiative or the User Incentives Initiative
  • Any person that is a Yuga Labs or Animoca employee, or any project or business owned by such person, may not receive compensation as a member of the Advisory Committee, as a Program Facilitator, or as a Strategic Accounts Manager.
  • Any person, or any project or business owned by such person, who is a member of the Special Council, Advisory Committee, a Program Facilitator, or a Strategic Accounts Manager may not receive any funding under the Commercial Agreements Initiative or the User Incentives Initiative, unless such potential conflict is disclosed to the Advisory Committee and such person recuses him or herself from any decision making.
    Any Advisory Committee member already receiving compensation from the APE Foundation may not receive the compensation listed here. For example, any Special Council member on the Advisory Committee will not receive the compensation otherwise intended for an Advisory Committee member.

Specifically Approved Terms:

  • 100,000,000 APE to be used for the Banana Program, provided:
    • Up to 65,000,000 APE may be allocated under the Commercial Agreements Initiative in Year 1
    • Up to 23,000,000 APE may be allocated under the User Incentives Initiative in total, and no more than 73,000,000 APE may be allocated under the Commercial Agreements Initiative in total, unless the Special Council approves such adjustment
  • Two year term for the Banana Program, such that any APE not allocated under the Commercial Agreements Initiative or the Users Incentives Initiative by the end of the term will be returned to the ApeCoin DAO treasury
  • Approval to spend no more than 3,000,000 APE per year on administrative expenses, including but not limited to, payments to Advisory Committee members, any Program Facilitator, any Strategic Accounts Manager, or any other consultant or advisor providing services to support the Banana Program, legal and business costs and expenses, and other similar costs or expenses.
  • The Advisory Committee to oversee the Banana Program based on its Charter (see below) and for the Special Council to oversee the Banana Program and Advisory Committee based on the Banana Program Rules (see below)
  • The people identified above (acting in their individual capacity) will initially make up the Advisory Committee, the Program Facilitator, and the Strategic Accounts Managers, as identified above.
  • The Special Council may appoint up to two more Advisory Committee members in accordance with the Banana Program Rules (see below) so that the total number of Advisory Committee members will not exceed 7.
  • All funds allocated under the Banana Program must be affirmatively endorsed by a majority of the Advisory Committee (e.g. 3 of 5, 4 of 6 or 4 of 7) and must not be vetoed by the Special Council.

Specific Requirements of Approval:

  • Within 30 days of the Banana Bill passing:
    • The Advisory Committee will submit for the Special Council’s approval its “Charter”, which outlines its decision-making process and standards, which will at a minimum require that a majority of the Advisory Committee approve making an endorsement under the User Incentive Initiative or Commercial Agreement Initiative
    • The Special Council will publish the Banana Program Rules for (i) adding or replacing members of the Advisory Committee, (ii) vetoing an Advisory Committee recommendation, with the intent to veto only in limited, objective circumstances, and (iii) replacing the Strategic Accounts Manager or Program Facilitator, which will only be initiated upon the recommendation of the Advisory Committee.
  • Each quarter during the two year term, subject to confidentiality obligations, a transparency report will be published identifying at a minimum (i) the amount of APE allocated under the Commercial Agreements Initiative and User Incentives Initiative during the prior six months, and (ii) the number of commercial agreements entered into in the prior six months, along with the names of the counterparties.
  • The APE Foundation, upon advice of legal counsel, may structure the execution of the Banana Program as advisable or necessary under applicable law.
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Team go strong :muscle: :muscle:

Full support – LFG.



This has been a long time coming. There are plenty of details in there…


Objectively, the community representation that so many of us have been waiting for:

Sustainability built around Community Support:

Degen Fuel:



redacting my previous comment


This looks very well planned. Good work. It’s a lot of bananas. Would love to hear more from the authors about their ambitions and goals for the program. :eyes: Also would like to know how quickly bananas will get into the hands of builders. :banana::banana::banana:


The most important thing that we can do at the dao is Fund the ApeChain and its legit builders properly.

Go take a look at other chains ecosystem funds and you will understand this is very reasonable.

A Builders fist approach is very important. Let’s get this going it’s now or never.


Sitting at my desk chomping on a Banana, reading the BANANA Bill, dreaming about how bananas all this is going to be. ApeChain or BUST baby!

Also, I am going to self nominate @boredelon as the Industry Leader. Pay the man whatever it takes to be a part of this team.


Obviously an important AIP, but the DAO’s treasury is under serious threat with this one. IMO the DAO would need to start figuring out how to slash spending and become far more sustainable quickly, if this were to pass.


I’m choosing my words carefully not to get banned.

There’s really no point in me commenting on specific parts of this AIP or the people involved - as this is already a done deal - goes to vote in under 6 days (and will pass).

However, I need to have my “dissent” (as they like to label it) noted.

Handing over control of 100m $ape, so greater then 40% of our entire treasury (includes unlocked $ape) to Horizenlabs is in itself bananas.

A few apes will certainly eat good.

Normal glazing can continue.


Sad part is that its yet another insider AIP that is posted and will be up for vote in just a week.
Doesnt matter how much of a good idea it is or how it benefits the $ape ecosystem, its scary how privilege some people are compared to others in this DAO.


A few thoughts on this AIP, which I hope can be addressed prior to this going for a vote:

  1. I believe the goal this AIP aims to address is absolutely needed, and the amount of the funding is appropriate based on the comps from other chains for similar endeavors. I think something like this is needed to facilitate a successful launch of ApeChain.

  2. In terms of the equity stake the DAO receives as a part of this, I would like to see more detail on proposed disbursement schedules and amounts. Having equity in something that doesn’t pay out isn’t worth anything to the treasury, so any detail here would be helpful.

  3. The issue I’ve heard from others (and agree with to some extent) is around the individuals being selected to run the fund and the compensation model (both amount and structure) for them.

  • In re: the amount, I agree we need to pay top dollar to attract and retain top talent. However, most top executives and advisors in companies are not paid primarily in cash, but in some sort of equity or vesting structure to ensure their compensation squarely aligns with the performance of the company they are running/advising. Was this model discussed as an alternative? Could this, or some other performance based compensation, be something that is implemented for the Banana Bill?

  • In re: individuals: This fund seeks to act as a venture capital vehicle in Web3 technology and gaming. I know several in the community who would like to see more details on those selected specific to this experience. It’s not to say that this team wouldn’t be able to successfully run this fund, but if you want the community to understand you are bringing in the best possible talent possible, more information on this front will help gain community support, if that is what you are seeking.

  1. I appreciate the focus on transparency and hope that confidentiality doesn’t make this a less-than-meaningful endeavor. I don’t see a similar section on accountability. The DAO has the ability to vote out SC or WG members, either through elections or otherwise. Is there a similar mechanism (either through the DAO or the fund itself) to ensure the appointed members are fulfilling their duties?

  2. (One of) the elephant(s) in the room that should be addressed: The speed this is getting to vote. We have other AIP authors waiting weeks/months for AIPs to go to vote, while this one waits 6 days. I would be good for the SC to address this transparently, not just about the Banana Bill, but also any thoughts on helping expedite AIPs from other authors.

As anyone who has heard me knows, I believe ApeChain is the single largest opportunity we have as a DAO in the next 12 months to galvanize our community, and I believe the Banana Bill is the single largest opportunity for that to happen. The funding has the ability to launch ApeChain, the process we take in securing that funding has the ability to galvanize the community…if we choose to appreciate that aspect of the approach.


I’d also like to see an amendment added that no entity connected to any of the advisory team members can receive funds resulting from this AIP.


Very thoughtful post and I agree with the concerns you’ve outlined here. This AIP is far too much money to not have an extraordinary level of transparency. We don’t want to generate a $100M slush fund for powerful entities surrounding the DAO. I’m interpreting this push as a way to basically defund the DAO and move the funds into the hands of others to effectively transition ownership and power away from the community. Garga has made it clear on Twitter that he has not been a fan of how things have been handled thus far, and having multiple representative entities directly from Yuga is clearly making a statement.

[Edited away me railing against Yuga as it seems like a distraction, but TLDR is I see no evidence that Yuga has the proven track record to give validation to them having multiple people directly sitting on this advisory board. I’d love to see the DAO move away from Yuga, and focus on finding the people who are actually the most qualified to drive this forward.]


This AIP, amount (extracting $100M from the treasury is a very bad idea) aside, competes with ThankApe which is already setup to do specifically everything in this AIP. And at reasonable expense. Heck, they even have competent people in the team and in advisory. Here, take a look at their $4M AIP from Feb, and compare it to this proposal.

They have the infra, the data, the team, the community etc. And they’ve shown - via two funded AIPs - that they can deliver what they promised. In fact, I still maintain that it’s currently the single DAO funding that the community (at least those who get involved) at large can benefit from. With adequate funding, they can increase their funding pool, create additional funding formats to align venture (commercial) funding with the pre-existing grants program etc. They have EVERYTHING in place. So, why not give them additional funding in tranches, rather than doing it this way whereby funding goes to hiring “experts” at exorbitant rates that aren’t even market aligned?

Don’t get me wrong, even with some deficiencies which I would rather not opine on, I “get” the goal of this AIP, and support the idea of it.

Regardless, with the support of Yuga + Animoca + Horizen, ofc it will pass. So, it doesn’t matter what the popular vote is; if the whale wallets decide to do this, there’s nothing that anyone in the DAO can do except hope for the best.

ps. The DAO treasury probably has less than $300M liquidity when you take into account all the commitments. There’s actually a thread on this on X.

That is all that I have to say about this. I just wanted to be on the record for this impactful AIP.


I believe something like this is absolutely necessary and critical to the DAOs growth. We’ve seen ThankApe begin a similar initiative, and AIP-396 looked to deploy capital for the benefit of the Yuga ecosystem. This team looks phenomenal, and can see if it gives this their all they will be successful.

That being said, I think transparency, transparency and transparency are the most important aspects for an AIP of this size.

KPIs and Transparency:

  1. It would be great for this section to include more detail - Milestones/KPIs/Expectations/Risks. How are these items tied to each individual and/or group?

  2. During the steps to implement there’s mention of a transparency report, and some high level details in Commercial Agreements section. Is there more to be included besides just the amount allocated that quarter and commercial agreements?

  3. What is the definition of success for this AIP?

  4. What is the definition of success for an investment?

I’d love to see an expectation of the advisory board hosting quarterly spaces to cover the transparency report, answer questions, and also highlight any current deals.

It’s mentioned that the internal team will discuss goals, success metrics and reducing risk but doesn’t outline what those are.


If the Special Council is actively involved in running this program, it doesn’t necessarily make sense to me that the Charter is approved by them. The Charter should likely be something approved by the vote as part of this AIP to pass.

  1. If we don’t know the Charter of the group, how can we vote that we agree with where this is headed?

Administrative Budget / Roles:

Overall cost - References 2 million APE per year

Specifically approved terms - References no more than 3,000,00 APE per year

There’s a note that the Overall Cost is an estimate and might be higher based on advisory committee members. I’d also love some more transparency on the criteria for additional people being added and/or them be found prior to this going to vote.

  1. Does that mean there’s a specific per advisor salary?

  2. Can we include that detail within the proposal?

  3. Are these intended as full-time roles?

  4. If yes, do we see these folks stepping back from their current positions?

  5. What time commitments are anticipated?

  6. When are salaries expected to begin being paid, does this start as soon as the AIP is approved or when the first investment is made?

  7. It’s mentioned that Yuga employees won’t receive payouts, does that mean Cameron will be legal council for this initiative and there won’t be need for outside council?


  1. What is the plan for non-deployed capital? If you’re holding 100m APE I’d imagine it’s being held for a decent amount of time.

…more to come most likely but would love for this AIP to lean further into transparency, 100M APE is a HUGE amount and the DAO deserves to be fully emersed in what is happening.


This proposal’s goal is something 100% needed and we need to get it right. If ApeChain is the north star of the DAO, as it should be at this point, the DAO needs to make everything possible to make it work.

Some considerations on the current state of the proposal:

  1. The Advisory Committee isn’t really a group of advisors. The proposal outlines responsibilities more aligned with those of an executive team. We need people 100% focused on this and it seems that’s the target of the “advisory” committee. I would prefer to see it named differently to avoid confusion.

  2. This executive team should have a compensation structure more aligned with performance than solely a base compensation package. Execution is key! This kind of role should have a compensation structure as a mix of base compensation and performance bonus.

  3. Since Yuga Labs employees can’t receive any compensation, that leaves the executive team with 3 paid members, 2 of which are still to be announced. At the current spot value of APE, the compensation for each of the 3 paid executive team members would be ~$441.5k/year. Imho this is very high as base compensation for a role for which there is no evaluation moment during the execution of the program (more on this in point 5 below). Tbh, the total compensation could even be a bit above the proposed amount if the compensation was structured as base + performance bonuses, where the base compensation would be much lower than the current value. Performance could be seen as a team’s effort and not evaluated individual, which is very hard to measure in this setting, and it could be based on deals closed, the network’s meaningful user activity, etc.

  4. The points above don’t mean that the program shouldn’t have a set of actual advisors, which I believe it should. These advisors should be paid by time spent advising through meetings, brainstorm sessions, etc. Not with fixed compensation as if they were normal FTEs.

  5. Transparency is also crucial in such a big program! Such a large amount for a 2y program is a big commitment. I would like to see at least one evaluation and realignment checkpoint halfway through the duration of the program.

Again, I believe the goal of this proposal is definitely something we need to focus on. For that, the execution and structure of the program need to be very good.


It is very much needed in order for ApeChain to have the slightest chance of becoming a relevant competitor to existing L2/L3 alternatives.

However, if we believe that by just having a 100m fund builders/projects will all come on their own, then we are mistaken.

The (sad) reality is that Apes & Yuga are not that cool anymore…

Other chains have more money/incentives, more experience, a track record, an existing ecosystem, and teams aka full-time employees.

So, the 100m are just the first step in ensuring that ApeChain is competitive and taken seriously.

Without a solid team actively engaged in sales and business development, approaching builders and trying to get existing games/projects onto the chain, the 100m will be useless.

We need people who are committed full-time and put their heart & soul into it. We need a team!
Not a 5-member advisory board that does this alongside their full-time job.

This team needs to be selected carefully. Not family, frens, and VCs first.

We do not need people that work at a company that has been an absolute disappointment for 2 years, especially in web3 gaming. The vertical ApeChain wants to focus on!!!

We should be looking for ppl that have experience in scaling an L2. Thinking out loud: ppl that got laid off from Polygon or any other chain.

ApeChain is a huge opportunity, but it can also be a major fail and pretty much seal the end of Ape.

Executed correctly the BANANA Bill can drastically increase the chances of success.

In my opinion, this requires 2 essential things:

  1. Team > Advisory Board

Everything depends on this imo. You simply can’t do this on the side.

  1. Apes, Ape, ApeChain > Yuga

We have a community of passionate builders & degens. This is our biggest asset compared to other chains.
A big mistake would be to count on Yuga. Nowadays, they are simply a risk and burden.

I hope you guys appreciate my honest opinion as always


100% agree with this. Wise words.


The Banana Bill has my full support!

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For a fund this size, you can’t help but draw parallels between this and the Arbitrum gaming fund that recently passed. Optics aside (which was terrible), the whole community felt it was forced and too large. Even for the largest DeFi chain. There are even accusations of grifting, with even Hsaka tweeting about it.

ApeChain doesn’t even exist yet, and this is asking for a fund that is valued about half that. At least with the Arb fund, the authors had plenty of gaming experience and came from various crypto gaming areas. In this, its all Yuga staff with space for one or two people with actual relevant experience. These critical hires haven’t even been decided yet, but the fund size and structure has been. Aren’t the opinions of these critical hires important? Shouldn’t they have a say on how large the fund is, what the charter is etc etc? It’s like we are expecting to magically find a person to shoehorn into this structure that they had no input on, and then expect them to perform to a high standard.It’s putting the cart before the horse. These critical hires should be part of this AIP, not an after thought.

I fully echo @kodama’s and @pirex’s messages. This is required but the scale and structure seems very off. I can guarantee you that if this passes, it will be viewed unfavourably to put it mildly. The arb grant structure was much better and that was viewed badly, so its not hard to guess how this will be viewed. If we are trying to attract more people to the DAO, optics are extremely important. How this gets pushed through will matter.